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Paul Triolo's avatar

Good discussion. Couple of things. It would be a mistake to attribute certain things to a broad strategy decision in Beijing to do something with respect to AI targeted at the US. Open source/weight models come to mind here. The move to open source was not hatched in Zhongnanhai but rather an organic bottom up decision, led by DeepSeek, then quickly adopted by most but not all of the other leading Chinese AI labs, that has sought to overcome the disadvantages that are inherent in China due to lack of unlimited access to compute, and a firm belief within some, but not all quarters of the China AI safety/security community that open source/weight models are the way to go. As I have said many times, the bureaucrats in Beijing were just as surprised as the tech bros in the Valley and investors on Wall Street with the success of DeepSeek. Also, thanks for validating what I have been saying, almost almost alone, that China is clearly not "AGI-pilled", and I have spent a lot of time in China looking for such a pill. I am less sure of the assertion that we must swallow the bitter lesson that we are locked into a structural conflict. As you note, this meme is frankly all based on questionable assumptions about the "end state", so there should be more room for development of collaboration. As you acknowledge, and I wrote about in great detail in a recent Cairo Review article, one major problem is Dario's assertion that "democractic AI" needs to win so that we can force regime change in China. This is clearly not only a contesable presumption, but also a very very dangerous one......

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Benjamin Todd's avatar

This is a nitpick to your main point, but I think the US is still a long way from being fully AGI pilled e.g. growth expectations and interest rates have hardly risen; and it would be possible to scale up compute a lot faster (e.g. most leading TSM nodes are still going to mobile phones).

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